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one of the striking stories i think is

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the one of is it jose ponce and gustavo

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gonzalez

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on when was this november 28th and what

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year 57 57 yeah that's a wild story

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apparently this thing has all kinds of

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proliferations uh there are people uh in

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around the area apparently saw elements

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of the same thing yes very definitely it

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happened in venezuela

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this was in venezuela yeah wasn't it

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wasn't that the one just outside for

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that's right yes

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now tell us about that story well these

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two fellows uh whom you just mentioned

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were in the uh vegetable business down

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there and each morning very early in the

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morning they would

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get in their truck they had a new truck

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and they'd get in this truck and go out

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to a little uh farming community of

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pittaris which is just outside caracas

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they'd go out there and load up with the

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vegetables for the market which they

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would bring into to their customers in

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the market

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on this particular morning they got into

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the

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beautiful residential section of caracas

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and they noticed this glowing lighted

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thing over the road hovering over the

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road about four or five feet above the

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road or i should say the street

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they got to within about 50 or 60 feet

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of it with their truck and their engine

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died on the truck and their rights went

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out

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and they could all we could see was this

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brightly lighted thing uh

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motionless there above the street well

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the two of them got out of the truck and

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walked slowly toward this thing to

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determine what it was they had never

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seen anything like it before

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suddenly they told police they found

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themselves set upon

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by some small man-like creatures and one

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of these men said that he was knocked

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down

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and uh he got to his knee and he was

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between this creature and the craft or

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the ufo

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the creature was evidently trying to get

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by him or get around him to get to the

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craft

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but he thought it was attacking him and

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it may have been at any rate

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he pulled his knife

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and as this small man-like creature made

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a lunge at him he stabbed at it with the

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knife and he tried to stab it in the

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shoulder he said he might as well have

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stabbed a rock

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because his knife glanced off of it

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and he said he thought that he was done

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that this was the end of it

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as a few seconds later

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he was scrambling around on his hands

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and knees there and he saw his partner

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running down the street away from the

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scene and he got up and followed him

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they only had to go about three blocks

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to a police station when they got in the

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police station they were in such a state

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of shock

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that the police thought they were drunk

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they examined them and tried to talk to

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him and they finally got him quieter

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down and took down the details of it and

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went back down there with them the truck

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was sitting there the lights of the

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truck were back on but the engine was

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dead although the ignition was turned on

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and this object this ufo was gone

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well

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this would have been just another case

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had it not been for the fact that one of

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the best known obstetricians in caracas

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had been just about a block behind these

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men he had been to a hospital on a case

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and was on his way home

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he saw their truck stop he saw the

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object covering over the street

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and he stopped to see what this was all

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about he saw the fight

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and saw the whole thing and then saw the

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thing take off after the men took off

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for the police station he saw the uh the

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little fellas uh the humanoids get into

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this craft and saw it take off

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and he went to the police station and

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actually got there before these men got

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away and he examined them and determined

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for the police that they were not drunk

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but were in a state of shock he later

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gave sworn statements

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to the government of venezuela

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and uh as i note in the book uh very

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interesting coincidence

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on the following day some of the top

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news men from the united states

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showed up in caracas

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and uh whether it was mere coincidence

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or not i don't know but it's

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strange that they should be there and

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this doctor this um obstetrician was

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questioned by

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a delegation of uh air force

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intelligence men who were sent to

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caracas he was questioned at great

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length as were the two truck drivers and

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the doctor

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according to a newspaper in venezuela

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was later flown to this country and uh

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for further questioning and what you

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think this story yep frank this is a

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i had never heard of this but why this

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happened when 57

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why didn't why didn't we read about that

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in this country that's a very good

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question and the only one that i'm the

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only ones i know who could answer that

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question would be the wire services

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because the story was carried in

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in scores of south american papers and

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latin american papers i never saw the

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story carried in any paper in this

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country and i got the whole story uh

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by having the the wire service accounts